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Presentation time offset for MPEG DASH manifests not applied correctly for xHE-AAC and AC4 streams #1440
Play attached media
Wait for the first period to finish
Watch the second period not honor the offset value (effectively restart playback from the beginning of the content)
Expected result
Media plays correctly - the first period and the second, honoring the offset correctly
Actual result
Playback starts, plays the first period, and then plays the second one, without honoring the presentationTimeOffset.
Media
We actively worked with the Exoplayer team here: google/ExoPlayer#11000 to fix discontinuities with AC-4 streams. We just adopted the fix, but it looks to have broken applying the presentationTimeOffset correctly for both xHE-AAC and AC-4 audio streams. For some reason, it looks to be working with AAC-LC (which doesn't have I-Frames).
Based on our debugging, the commit the Exoplayer team made for our above issue is what caused this. Can you please look into what's going on, and please apply the correct fix?
We're not sure if you still have our AC-4 stream from the past, but you can still use that. We will also email you links to three clear streams - an AAC one (where presentationTimeOffset is being honored) and xHE-AAC and AC-4 where they are not anymore.
FYI we've emailed the adb bug report to the above email address. We will send you sample audio later today. Would appreciate a set of eyes from your team on this soon.
We still think our original proposed patch from: google/ExoPlayer#11000 is the actual solution to the original problem rather than messing with timestamps....but open to hearing your guidance as well.
changed the title [-]Presentation Time Offset for MPEG DASH manifests not applied correctly for xHE-AAC and AC4 streams [/-][+]Presentation time offset for MPEG DASH manifests not applied correctly for xHE-AAC and AC4 streams [/+]on Jun 12, 2024
@ronak2121 The xHE-AAC link you shared via email results in HTTP 403 errors for me. Could you check that it's accessible or provide more details on how to access it? Not sure what the link is targeting, but the most important thing to have for testing is the actual DASH manifest referencing real media files that show the problem.
The link still gives 403 errors I'm afraid. Not sure if it expired or if there is another problem, but we can't really debug and look into the issue if it's not accessible to us.
Thanks for the new stream, I was now able to access it. We don't monitor this email address directly, so please let us know here is you send new information to make us aware.
I was able to reproduce the issue and it is caused by the fact that the second period starts in the middle of a segment. This requires the player to preroll the data from the beginning of the segment. For formats without specific keyframes, there is an optimization that skips the samples early (for AAC-LC), so it seems to work correctly. For other formats like xHE-AAC and AC-4, we need to start decoding at earlier samples and can't skip them directly. Usually they would be skipped later, after decoding, but our DASH implementation didn't expect that a period starts in the middle of a segment and thus simply played out the entire segment again.
We can look into solving this, by note that even if we report it correctly in our pipelines, the player likely enters a very short buffering state at the transition where it needs to flush and restart the codec.
Hi Toni,
Thanks for getting back to me. What do you mean by the second period starts in the middle of a segment? Our segments are composed of multiple fragments, and we group those fragments together to form segments. From what I saw, you disregard whatever value we specify in the presentation time offset, to skip the segments before that timestamp. I double checked the math there several times, and the timestamp lines up to the correct sample/segment we should play from….and works fine with ShakaPlayer.
We have I-Frames on every ~1s fragment so I’m not following what you’re referring to there.
Ronak
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Thanks for the new stream, I was now able to access it. We don't monitor this email address directly, so please let us know here is you send new information to make us aware.
I was able to reproduce the issue and it is caused by the fact that the second period starts in the middle of a segment. This requires the player to preroll the data from the beginning of the segment. For formats without specific keyframes, there is an optimization that skips the samples early (for AAC-LC), so it seems to work correctly. For other formats like xHE-AAC and AC-4, we need to start decoding at earlier samples and can't skip them directly. Usually they would be skipped later, after decoding, but our DASH implementation didn't expect that a period starts in the middle of a segment and thus simply played out the entire segment again.
We can look into solving this, by note that even if we report it correctly in our pipelines, the player likely enters a very short buffering state at the transition where it needs to flush and restart the codec.
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The first segment has a duration of about 20 seconds and is supposed to start at around 10 seconds. The presentation time offset is applied correctly in some parts of the pipeline, but we don't tell the decoder that it needs to discard some of the data again. This is because of the wrong assumption that every DASH period starts at the beginning of a segment.
We have I-Frames on every ~1s fragment so I’m not following what you’re referring to there.
Each fragment has its own sample index table, so the player still needs to parse through the entire file to find the right point.
We submitted a fix for the main problem now (see commit above). But as highlighted earlier, there will still be a tiny buffering state at the transition point where ExoPlayer needs time to go through the decode-only samples it won't need for playback. Closing this issue as the remaining buffering is a wider performance improvement related to how we handle pre-roll samples at transition points.
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ronak2121 commentedon Jun 10, 2024
FYI @rohitjoins and @tonihei
ronak2121 commentedon Jun 12, 2024
FYI we've emailed the adb bug report to the above email address. We will send you sample audio later today. Would appreciate a set of eyes from your team on this soon.
We still think our original proposed patch from: google/ExoPlayer#11000 is the actual solution to the original problem rather than messing with timestamps....but open to hearing your guidance as well.
[-]Presentation Time Offset for MPEG DASH manifests not applied correctly for xHE-AAC and AC4 streams [/-][+]Presentation time offset for MPEG DASH manifests not applied correctly for xHE-AAC and AC4 streams [/+]ronak2121 commentedon Jun 14, 2024
We've emailed an XHE-AAC stream as promised. An AC4 one will be forthcoming.
ronak2121 commentedon Jun 20, 2024
@rohitjoins, can you please advise on the next steps for this issue?
ronak2121 commentedon Jun 25, 2024
Hi @rohitjoins , is there any update?
tonihei commentedon Jun 25, 2024
@ronak2121 The xHE-AAC link you shared via email results in HTTP 403 errors for me. Could you check that it's accessible or provide more details on how to access it? Not sure what the link is targeting, but the most important thing to have for testing is the actual DASH manifest referencing real media files that show the problem.
ronak2121 commentedon Jun 25, 2024
Just emailed you guys again with a new link.
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tonihei commentedon Jun 28, 2024
The link still gives 403 errors I'm afraid. Not sure if it expired or if there is another problem, but we can't really debug and look into the issue if it's not accessible to us.
ronak2121 commentedon Jul 17, 2024
Hi I emailed you a new link a few weeks ago. Please try it out.
tonihei commentedon Jul 19, 2024
Thanks for the new stream, I was now able to access it. We don't monitor this email address directly, so please let us know here is you send new information to make us aware.
I was able to reproduce the issue and it is caused by the fact that the second period starts in the middle of a segment. This requires the player to preroll the data from the beginning of the segment. For formats without specific keyframes, there is an optimization that skips the samples early (for AAC-LC), so it seems to work correctly. For other formats like xHE-AAC and AC-4, we need to start decoding at earlier samples and can't skip them directly. Usually they would be skipped later, after decoding, but our DASH implementation didn't expect that a period starts in the middle of a segment and thus simply played out the entire segment again.
We can look into solving this, by note that even if we report it correctly in our pipelines, the player likely enters a very short buffering state at the transition where it needs to flush and restart the codec.
ronak2121 commentedon Jul 19, 2024
tonihei commentedon Jul 19, 2024
The first segment has a duration of about 20 seconds and is supposed to start at around 10 seconds. The presentation time offset is applied correctly in some parts of the pipeline, but we don't tell the decoder that it needs to discard some of the data again. This is because of the wrong assumption that every DASH period starts at the beginning of a segment.
Each fragment has its own sample index table, so the player still needs to parse through the entire file to find the right point.
ronak2121 commentedon Jul 24, 2024
Thanks Tony. I get it now. Please let us know when this is closer to being fixed so we can test it out with our streams.
Report initial discontinuity for DASH periods that require preroll
tonihei commentedon Aug 29, 2024
We submitted a fix for the main problem now (see commit above). But as highlighted earlier, there will still be a tiny buffering state at the transition point where ExoPlayer needs time to go through the decode-only samples it won't need for playback. Closing this issue as the remaining buffering is a wider performance improvement related to how we handle pre-roll samples at transition points.