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In an effort to support more widely used open protocols and software for syncing we should check out the ownCloud Notes API: https://github.com/owncloud/notes/wiki/API-0.2
Would especially be cool to support that because there are lots of ownCloud deployments already.
Would be even nicer if owncloud could speak remotestorage directly...
Anyways I plan to change litewrite in a way to make it easy to switch the backend completely.
Then you could write another version embedded as owncloud app and without all the remotestorage.
Yeah, remoteStorage + ownCloud was often discussed and tried but in short: it’s too difficult to run because of security reasons you need to serve the remoteStorage stuff from a separate origin. And at that point you might as well just run a dedicated remoteStorage server.
However ownCloud already speaks an open standard which is WebDAV. Notes are always in the /Notes subfolder. I think @PVince81 is working on a webdav js library for ownCloud at the moment (using the one of @evert?) which might be useful for us as well. @PVince81 any hints there?
Also cc @Henni@LukasReschke because they work on ownCloud Notes as well and might be interested. :) (With Litewrite it would be possible to have the Notes from ownCloud offline and cross-platform cause it’s an unhosted web app. E.g. Firefox OS users could then use it as an ownCloud Notes app.)
You don't get sync for free just by using WebDAV, though. Currently, it's rs.js that is making it an unhosted, offline-first app, because it does the caching and automatic sync for you. It's a non-trivial task to solve all the problems we solved in rs.js so far with custom app code.
Yeah, remoteStorage + ownCloud was often discussed and tried but in short: it’s too difficult to run because of security reasons you need to serve the remoteStorage stuff from a separate origin. And at that point you might as well just run a dedicated remoteStorage server.
That's not really the case imo, and even if it is, the main benefit would still be re-using ownCloud user accounts and make them available via Webfinger/OAuth, in turn making it much easier to connect apps that store per-user data. The main problem in the past (afaik) was actually the Apache 304/CORS situation, which seems to be have been solved (at least in some browsers) since then. Plus the fact that no core devs ever worked on it in any way, shape or form in the first place.
I think we should add it independently from remoteStorage. This gives us more freedom and possibilities.
However, I recommend we get the app cleaned up and reorganized first before attempting to add more providers.
But ownCloud is definitely also on my personal list since I set up my own a few months ago =)
So, I'm happy for any help with the ownCloud syncing. Would be nice to have a js lib.
Last time I worked with the ownCloud API I had to write all the WebDAV code myself and it's not that fun.
I think we should add it independently from remoteStorage. This gives us more freedom and possibilities.
However, I recommend we get the app cleaned up and reorganized first before attempting to add more providers.
Definitely. Who knows, maybe the effort can result in a new sync abstraction where you can plug in both RS and ownCloud, as well as others. The RS connect is actually easy enough to do in app code alone (with a little help from a microlib maybe), and rs.js is not a requirement for clients, of course.
Let's stick with remotestorage for Litewrite.
If remotestorage and Owncloud/Nextcloud build a connection internally, would be nice.
Owncloud/Nextcloud users can user their own, integrated note-taking app for now.
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jorinvo commentedon Nov 8, 2015
Would be even nicer if owncloud could speak remotestorage directly...
Anyways I plan to change litewrite in a way to make it easy to switch the backend completely.
Then you could write another version embedded as owncloud app and without all the remotestorage.
jancborchardt commentedon Nov 9, 2015
Yeah, remoteStorage + ownCloud was often discussed and tried but in short: it’s too difficult to run because of security reasons you need to serve the remoteStorage stuff from a separate origin. And at that point you might as well just run a dedicated remoteStorage server.
However ownCloud already speaks an open standard which is WebDAV. Notes are always in the /Notes subfolder. I think @PVince81 is working on a webdav js library for ownCloud at the moment (using the one of @evert?) which might be useful for us as well. @PVince81 any hints there?
Also cc @Henni @LukasReschke because they work on ownCloud Notes as well and might be interested. :) (With Litewrite it would be possible to have the Notes from ownCloud offline and cross-platform cause it’s an unhosted web app. E.g. Firefox OS users could then use it as an ownCloud Notes app.)
raucao commentedon Nov 9, 2015
You don't get sync for free just by using WebDAV, though. Currently, it's rs.js that is making it an unhosted, offline-first app, because it does the caching and automatic sync for you. It's a non-trivial task to solve all the problems we solved in rs.js so far with custom app code.
That's not really the case imo, and even if it is, the main benefit would still be re-using ownCloud user accounts and make them available via Webfinger/OAuth, in turn making it much easier to connect apps that store per-user data. The main problem in the past (afaik) was actually the Apache 304/CORS situation, which seems to be have been solved (at least in some browsers) since then. Plus the fact that no core devs ever worked on it in any way, shape or form in the first place.
jorinvo commentedon Nov 9, 2015
I think we should add it independently from remoteStorage. This gives us more freedom and possibilities.
However, I recommend we get the app cleaned up and reorganized first before attempting to add more providers.
But ownCloud is definitely also on my personal list since I set up my own a few months ago =)
So, I'm happy for any help with the ownCloud syncing. Would be nice to have a js lib.
Last time I worked with the ownCloud API I had to write all the WebDAV code myself and it's not that fun.
raucao commentedon Nov 9, 2015
Definitely. Who knows, maybe the effort can result in a new sync abstraction where you can plug in both RS and ownCloud, as well as others. The RS connect is actually easy enough to do in app code alone (with a little help from a microlib maybe), and rs.js is not a requirement for clients, of course.
jorinvo commentedon Nov 9, 2015
@skddc sounds like a good idea! Will look into this!
jorinvo commentedon Aug 4, 2017
Let's stick with remotestorage for Litewrite.
If remotestorage and Owncloud/Nextcloud build a connection internally, would be nice.
Owncloud/Nextcloud users can user their own, integrated note-taking app for now.